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Q: What’s
So Great About Dinesh D’Souza?
Dinesh D’Souza is one of the most famous conservatives
in America.
No he is not.
He is a prolific author of works concerning politics and
society. After college, he worked briefly in the public sector
and was, in the late eighties, a senior domestic policy analyst
in the Reagan Administration.
Sadly, he was one of the few that never went to prison.
As an author, he has always been a controversial figure
due to his arriving at positions well ahead of the conservative
consensus.
Stuff like Jesus is great, evolution is a lie and fags should
be hated as God intended? Yeah, those aren’t actually new
ideas for conservatives.
Illiberal Education and The End of Racism made him a hated
figure by the left; but it was not until 2007, with the release
of The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility
for 9/11, that he found himself criticized by some members of
the right.
Hated figure? No, he’s really too stupid to hate and the
majority of the left and the right have no fucking clue who he is.
His latest book What’s So Great About Christianity,
should restore his status among conservatives, however. It is
a meticulous and exquisite defense of both Christianity and belief
in general.
No, it’s a self-serving slice of theist boilerplate buffed
up with some Intelligent Design.
BC: Congratulations to you, sir. I just finished What’s
So Great About Christianity and was quite impressed. Obviously
its subject matter is timeless, but what about our present day
makes the work so imperative?
Dinesh D’Souza: I think we’re seeing something
very new right now. For the first time, atheism is being presented
as a serious option for young people.
Yes, there are no young atheists to be found before 2004.
A generation ago atheists were represented by the likes
of Marilyn Murray O’Hare who was not a very attractive poster
child for the movement.
She was fat and hairy! The hot chick with the crucifix betwixt
her cleavage is the one they listened too!
Today atheism comes in a stylish disguise and is defended
by witty debaters.
Yes, there is no one more stylin’ and witty than Richard
Dawkins, and attractive? I believe he was Mr. July in the “Check
Out These Tight Genes” in the “Hotties of Heresy”
calendar last year.
They have mounted a strong attack on religion and claim
that atheism is more moral than Christianity.
Uh no, that’s not it at all.
I know I’m sick of the question too but are they really
this stupid or do they just play stupid to keep stupid people stupid?
Atheism means there are no such things as gods. That’s it
and that’s all it says, it’s that simple and makes no
other comment on no other subject.
But theists are selling something and as anyone in sales knows
you need to have a need if you want them to sign on the line that
is dotted. One of their product’s man functions is morality,
that if you believe in a sky god you are somehow axiomatically moral.
This is of course nonsense as the Vatican proved over the last
several hunderd years or so.
They furthermore insist that if there really isn’t any god
there isn’t any morality because there isn’t any inter-dimensional
torture prison to make people behave.
Like the idea that people who are good are good for good’s
own sake not because some magic man is going to grant all my wishes
after I’ve kicked it never occurs to them.
So no, atheism is not “more moral” (I’m not
even sure how anything can be “more moral” does that
even make sense?) than theism, it’s just smarter is all.
Atheist works have dominated the best seller list for the
last two years, and so I thought the time was right to mount a
serious counter attack.
My agent said “Yeah, all these books about religion, there’s
a market for it, can you crank out 400 pages before the holidays?
Usual rate?”.
And serious? D’Souza? Not really.
BC: In light of the recent spate of books attempting to
debunk Christianity and God—such as Richard Dawkins The
God Delusion, Christopher Hitchens God Is Not Great: How Religion
Poisons Everything, and Daniel Dennett’s Breaking the Spell:
Religion as a Natural Phenomenon—how much is Christianity
“on the ropes,” so to speak, in America? How successful
have atheist attacks on religion been with the general public?
Dinesh D’Souza: Well, the Christians have been a little
passive here. Many Christians feel that we should practice our
faith at home but should abandon the public square.
What?!? That’s
crazy talk!
They had no way of knowing that atheists would end up taking
their campaign into the public schools. Christians need to respond
seriously to this threat because if we don’t we’ll
find that our most intelligent young people will be led astray.
The young want to believe in God but when they go to college their
professors try to indoctrinate them into thinking otherwise.
Those dastardly Professor Moriarties! Teaching intelligent young
people that there’s no such thing as magic, that the universe
is billions of years old rather than 6,000 and that we share 97%
of our genetics with chimps, the bastards!
The profs not the chimps.
Too many Christians try to deflect these arguments by using
scripture. That is not going to work. Scripture works when you
are arguing with other Christians but it will not be effective
with atheists as they do not care about what the Bible says.
DING! DING! DING! D’Souza seems to have a grasp on reality
here so I’m ringing The End of the World Bell.
When you’re speaking to someone indifferent to scripture
you should use reason, logic, skepticism, and evidence.
And this sentence is trés revealing no?
These are the tools atheists use and are also the ones I
use for myself in What’s So Great About Christianity.
So… D’Souza is admitting that atheists use reason,
logic, skepticism, and evidence and he’s arguing against them?
'Kay.
BC: What would you say is the most potent argument offered
by atheists? By this I mean the one most difficult to refute.
Uh gee… umm that’s a tricky one… how about “There’s
no such thing as magic”?
Dinesh D’Souza: The goal of my book is to not only
fortify the believer of Christianity but also to challenge the
atheists while showing the seeker that they are rebelling against
a childhood version of Christianity—one that they learned
in Sunday school and catechism.
Bacteria and viruses survive countless eons because they can mutate
so rapidly that they’re all but immune to environmental change.
Theism has this ability as well, no matter what you say about how
outlandish this or that part is you will be told that you don’t
understand it or that you’re taking it too literally or perhaps
not literally enough. You can never prove a religion wrong because
the only way you can truly understand it enough to be in a position
to prove it wrong is if you believe it all true.
It's a neat surival trick that Islam has down best, you can only
understand the Koran if you understand the original language, translation
is forbidden.
Their opinion of it now is rooted in what I call “crayon
Christianity.” What we must also realize is that when atheists
use the word “fundamentalist” it is but a big ploy.
When they say fundamentalist and mount attacks against fundamentalism
what they really are attempting to do is to go after traditional
Christianity.
It's a bit like saying America nuked China when they bombed Hiroshima.
And such ego! All theism silly boy, from witch doctors to palm
readers to priests, popes and preachers of all god bothering denominations.
That being said, I think the atheists make two arguments
which must be responded to. First, they posit that Christianity
is opposed to reason and science which it is not. My historical
chapters show that Christianity had a lot to do with the origins
of science. Most of the leading scientists of the last 500 years
have been Christian. We should not go on the defensive when the
name of science is invoked. Second, atheists claim that Christianity
is a major cause of violence and war in the world which is also
untrue and I illustrate why this is the case in my book.
Atheists say black is black but in my book I say it’s white.
BC: For readers unfamiliar with its pages, why do so many
people continue to perceive Christianity and evolution as being
mutually exclusive? What’s wrong with the notion that God
created us and we evolved from there?
Dinesh D’Souza: There is nothing wrong with that notion.
I have no problem with it. I do think that the intelligent design
advocates have raised some interesting questions though. They
have found some vulnerable points in the atheist critique. Evolution
does not undermine the argument of design, however.
Yes it does, it actually goes on to bury it.
You look at nature and in it you can see the handiwork of
the Creator.
That Creator guy is a spazz then. Why do I have to wear contacts?
Why did I have to get my wisdom teeth yanked? Why do I have sex
with the thing I pee with? Could that be grosser? Why do patches
of hair fall out randomly around my face? And those are just a few
of my own design flaws, they’re mild in comparison to others.
An Xbox360 has better hardware and let’s not even get into
the human software that the Creator coded up, that shit is buggier
then Windows 95 first release.
Really if this is the best your creator can do then he should pack
it in.
The existence of God is supported by astronomy, physics
and modern science in general.
It most certainly is not.
In modern biology, it is evident, in a most comprehensive
way, through the complexity of the cell. The simple cell has enough
information in it to compare it to a supercomputer.
Yeah but it can’t play Madden 09.
The cell already has built in to itself the capacity to
replicate. Evolution is true so far as it goes but the problem
is that it does not go that far.
Uh it goes all the way back to single celled life and it’s
not actually evolutions’ job to explain a cell’s supercomputerness.
I make a distinction in my book between evolution and Darwinism.
I see evolution as being a scientific proposition but Darwinism
I see as being an ideological proposition. We have all these scientific
laws but no one calls themselves Keplerians or Newtonians so why
do so many insist on calling themselves Darwinists? Their doing
so puts an atheistic spin on evolution, and this spin is what
the Christian community finds itself reacting too.
Actually that’d be you reacting to, the majority of Christians
don’t really care.
BC: It has been suggested by Richard Dawkins that atheists
now term themselves “brights” in keeping with their
supernatural-free worldviews. That is a loaded term to say the
least. In your estimation, how closely is atheism tied to elitism?
Could it be that a certain segment of humanity is offended by
the notion that anyone or any entity stands above them?
Oh I love this tact; Don’t you go making out that yer smarter
than me cuz you don’t believe in angels flying around protecting
me from Satan's minions!
Dinesh D’Souza: Well, this whole business about the
brights goes back a couple of years. Atheists sat around and said
to themselves “we sound too negative” because to be
an atheist means being against something. How could they rephrase
their identity in a positive manner? Well, “brights”
is what they came up with. They must have thought, “We all
agree that we’re extremely smart,” so that’s
where the term comes from.
Um are you allowed to quote someone's thoughts that you made up
for them?
And for the record Richard Dawkins is actually, extremely smart.
Dennett and Dawkins wrote articles about this. The term conveys
a comical pomposity but when you look at their work it is understandable.
Atheists stand on a metaphysical platform grounded in faith but
they are the only ones who don’t recognize this fact.
Because it's not a fact? Because it's you being crazy and stupid?
it takes no faith to say that gods don't fly around making drama
for humanity.
They assume that our five senses give us complete knowledge
of reality. Why is that automatically the case?
Actually they don't. In the last chapter of the "God Delusion"
Dawkins touches on this very subject and compares our comprehension
of reality like being inside a burka with a tiny slit for the eyes.
All evolution says is that our only imperative is to survive
and replicate. There is no evolutionary mandate to seek truth
or do any of the other things so many of us find ourselves doing.
There is no reason to assume that the thoughts in our heads precisely
match the mandates of nature.
Now here D’Souza is scrapping up against a valid point like
a seacow scratching itself on the barnacles of a boat.
There is a lot about human beings that goes beyond what life demands,
like art, stand-up comedy and er… well all the stuff I do
actually and since evolution doesn’t like anything useless
hanging around why do we still do it? Lots of theories but whatever
the truth of it is skygodism is certainly not it, at least not the
lunatic that morons like D’Souza pray to out of blind fear
that they may be its next victim.
BC: I was very pleased by Chapter 19 in which you responded
to the absurd idea that the atrocities committed by Hitler and
Stalin had something to do with the faith into which they were
born (but later renounced). In the hopes of disseminating your
arguments to the larger population, why is it no accident that
the world’s greatest mass murderers—Mao, Hitler, Stalin,
and Pol Pot—maintained anti-religious regimes?
Dinesh D’Souza: I think it is no accident that the
worst bloodbaths have come from anti-religious regimes because
religion provides a framework of accountability. This framework
was not present in the twentieth century totalitarian states.
You have had bad guys in the past but they were somewhat restrained
by the fact that they had to be externally accountable for what
they did. That is why the totalitarian states behave in the wanton
manner they do. There is nothing to restrain them from committing
egregious acts. It harkens back to what Dostoevsky’s said
in The Brothers Karamazov: “Without God and the future life?
How will man be after that? It means everything is permitted now.”
Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris do summersaults to prove that atheist
crimes cannot be blamed on atheism which is incorrect.
Blah blah blah, idiots on both sides dredge this chestnut out
for a good flogging. People do bad things, no god needed.
BC: In your chapter, “The World Beyond Our Senses:
Kant and the Limits of Reason,” you take issue with the
idea that human reason is the finest, and only, way to comprehend
reality. What other means are there? Why should we be deferential
to what we cannot understand?
Dinesh D’Souza: Well, within the domain of human experience,
reason is supreme. The problem is that the atheists try to use
the same empirical techniques to prove what is outside the realm
of human experience. Here’s the point: none of us know what
comes after death. The believer says I don’t know but I
believe in God, the atheist says I don’t know therefore
I don’t believe in anything. In reality, both positions
are derived from faith. Both groups make a leap of faith but the
believer is humble enough to recognize this fact. The atheist
can’t or won’t.
Wait a second… what?
none of us know what comes after death. The believer says
I don’t know but I believe in God
Uh is one of the perks of god worship that you get a great afterlife?
Or at least one that isn’t endless torture?
Very confusing.
And atheists believe in many things, ghosts, goblins and gods
are not amongst them.
BC: One phrase really stuck out with me from your debate
with Christian Hitchens. It was the revulsion he felt over Christianity
due to it forcing us to maintain a “posture of permanent
gratitude” towards life and the Lord. How revealing of the
atheist mindset are these words?
Dinesh D’Souza: The thing is even Heidegger recognized
that we are thrown into this world without our asking to be. We
find ourselves alive but have done nothing to deserve such an
opportunity. This is how one could say there is no merit attached
to existence… yet life remains precious to all of us—even
to the sick who cling to life. Those close to death still cherish
life, so if you don’t want to thank God then I say at least
thank your parents.
Speaking of revealing, some people do need an eternal father figure
watching out for them don’t they?
I don’t know why atheists don’t want to view
existence in a gratuitous way.
And how does he know this? See I can be grateful to be alive I
just don’t need to be grateful to the imaginary for it is
all.
Dawkins put the [Hitchens vs. D’Souza] debate on his
website and AOL had viewers vote to determine who, in their opinion,
won. When they took the final tally, I was the winner.
Holy crap! He won an internet poll! Against a drunk! Well done!
Now what is important to remember here is that most Christians
are not the ones generally surfing the web, yet, amid all those
viewers, I was deemed the victor.
Yes, the Christian presence on the web is miniscule at best because
Jesus hates the Internet or something. It’s neat that D’Souza
has mentioned this twice here and I suspect countless times elsewhere.
I think we’re witnessing his career peak.
I came determined to stop him in his tracks and I think
it came out pretty well.
You going to argue with Internet voters?!!? You won’t because
you can’t!
Ironically, the debate was held in an atheist auditorium
that looks rather like a church. If you watch it again you’ll
find that in the beginning the audience seemed to be favoring
Hitchens, but, as the debate moved on, the applause moved heavily
in my direction.
He even had a professional clapologist review the tapes and D’Souza
scored .34% higher on the “Giveit-up Meter” than Hitchens
who spent most of the debate yelling to the offstage “What
fookin’ idiot put orange juice in me orange juice? Christ
whoos the Muzzie over there? I FOOKIN’ HATE MUZZIES... Soozan?
She looks like a fookin’ bloke!! Oh… oh right…
Christ… sorry, Suzy! Yeah… cheers… WHERE’S
THAT FOOKIN’ DRINK?!!?”
I have issued a debate challenge to Dawkins as well. We’ll
see what comes from it.
Nothing. You’re an idiot and Dawkins doesn’t debate
idiots anymore. See? Clever people learn from their mistakes.
BC: Thanks so much for your time, Mr. D’Souza.
Time he could have spent working on his new book "I beat
Christopher Hitchens on the Internet: That Means There Must be a
God!"
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